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PokerStars Hand #81192415739: Tournament #565641573, €2.70+€0.30 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2012/05/29 20:05:50 CET [2012/05/29 14:05:50 ET]
Table '565641573 3' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: FRED17RUGBY (1820 in chips)
Seat 3: WEST INDIZ74 (1088 in chips)
Seat 4: Burning Jo (2090 in chips)
Seat 5: pokpok43 (4523 in chips)
Seat 6: Irreligious8 (3149 in chips)
Burning Jo: posts small blind 75
pokpok43: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Burning Jo
Irreligious8: folds
FRED17RUGBY: raises 1670 to 1820 and is all-in
WEST INDIZ74: calls 1088 and is all-in
Burning Jo: raises 270 to 2090 and is all-in
pokpok43: folds
Uncalled bet (270) returned to Burning Jo
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Burning Jo: shows (high card Ace)
FRED17RUGBY: shows (high card King)
Burning Jo collected 1464 from side pot
WEST INDIZ74: shows (a pair of Fives)
WEST INDIZ74 collected 3414 from main pot
FRED17RUGBY re-buys and receives 2000 chips for €6.00
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4878 Main pot 3414. Side pot 1464. | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: FRED17RUGBY showed and lost with high card King
Seat 3: WEST INDIZ74 (button) showed and won (3414) with a pair of Fives
Seat 4: Burning Jo (small blind) showed and won (1464) with high card Ace
Seat 5: pokpok43 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Irreligious8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

carrrrrééééééé, un par jour la base

PokerStars Hand #81192719897: Tournament #565641573, €2.70+€0.30 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2012/05/29 20:11:18 CET [2012/05/29 14:11:18 ET]
Table '565641573 3' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: FRED17RUGBY (3700 in chips)
Seat 2: 33LEONA (1230 in chips)
Seat 3: WEST INDIZ74 (3189 in chips)
Seat 4: Burning Jo (1959 in chips)
Seat 5: pokpok43 (5073 in chips)
Seat 6: Irreligious8 (2549 in chips)
33LEONA: posts small blind 100
WEST INDIZ74: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Burning Jo
Burning Jo: raises 1759 to 1959 and is all-in
pokpok43: folds
Irreligious8: raises 590 to 2549 and is all-in
FRED17RUGBY: folds
33LEONA: folds
WEST INDIZ74: folds
Uncalled bet (590) returned to Irreligious8
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Burning Jo: shows (four of a kind, Tens)
Irreligious8: shows (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Burning Jo collected 4218 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4218 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: FRED17RUGBY (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 33LEONA (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: WEST INDIZ74 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Burning Jo showed and won (4218) with four of a kind, Tens
Seat 5: pokpok43 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Irreligious8 showed and lost with two pair, Kings and Tens

genial pour 10bb dans un 3€. Tu as vraiment de la chance

pareil, je les claque toujours en early sur les 2$turbo... dans le 11$R ou le big27$ j'attends encore...
comme les 20/80 chattés quand tu shove 5BB avec 33

toute la soirée comme ça, là on fout en l'air le seul mtt ou ca allait bien, fu KK all over again, devant deriere c pareil

le setup parfait car main davant je raise il 3b je fold As, donc bon

PokerStars Hand #81200136144: Tournament #565640271, €45+€5 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (125/250) - 2012/05/29 22:18:38 CET [2012/05/29 16:18:38 ET]
Table '565640271 35' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kooloop (8912 in chips)
Seat 2: Akoos (10990 in chips)
Seat 3: Burning Jo (21322 in chips)
Seat 4: uarebad lol (13059 in chips)
Seat 5: l'ass 69 (13385 in chips)
Seat 6: Fowan (18640 in chips)
kooloop: posts the ante 30
Akoos: posts the ante 30
Burning Jo: posts the ante 30
uarebad lol: posts the ante 30
l'ass 69: posts the ante 30
Fowan: posts the ante 30
Fowan: posts small blind 125
kooloop: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Burning Jo
Akoos: folds
Burning Jo: raises 250 to 500
uarebad lol: folds
l'ass 69: raises 1250 to 1750
Fowan: folds
kooloop: folds
Burning Jo: raises 2249 to 3999
l'ass 69: raises 2249 to 6248
Burning Jo: raises 10752 to 17000
l'ass 69: calls 7107 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (3645) returned to Burning Jo
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Burning Jo: shows (a pair of Kings)
l'ass 69: shows (three of a kind, Aces)
l'ass 69 collected 27265 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 27265 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: kooloop (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Akoos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Burning Jo showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: uarebad lol folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: l'ass 69 (button) showed and won (27265) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: Fowan (small blind) folded before Flop

30 left du KO ... how much K et J dans le deck ?

PokerStars Hand #81206881673: Tournament #565640314, €7+€2+€1 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (2500/5000) - 2012/05/30 0:20:35 CET [2012/05/29 18:20:35 ET]
Table '565640314 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: darkwhite33 (220648 in chips)
Seat 2: scalou93 (75205 in chips)
Seat 3: AATheFishAA (87115 in chips)
Seat 4: messirno (85183 in chips)
Seat 5: menestrelien (17286 in chips)
Seat 6: 33Lord33 (108567 in chips)
Seat 7: DonTuchMyBB (48788 in chips)
Seat 8: jsuimax33 (97728 in chips)
Seat 9: xXJER13Xx (13749 in chips)
darkwhite33: posts the ante 625
scalou93: posts the ante 625
AATheFishAA: posts the ante 625
messirno: posts the ante 625
menestrelien: posts the ante 625
33Lord33: posts the ante 625
DonTuchMyBB: posts the ante 625
jsuimax33: posts the ante 625
xXJER13Xx: posts the ante 625
33Lord33: posts small blind 2500
DonTuchMyBB: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DonTuchMyBB
jsuimax33: raises 15000 to 20000
xXJER13Xx: calls 13124 and is all-in
darkwhite33: folds
scalou93: folds
AATheFishAA: folds
messirno: folds
menestrelien: folds
33Lord33: folds
DonTuchMyBB: raises 28163 to 48163 and is all-in
jsuimax33: calls 28163
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DonTuchMyBB: shows (two pair, Aces and Kings)
jsuimax33: shows (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
jsuimax33 collected 70078 from side pot
xXJER13Xx: shows (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
jsuimax33 collected 23749 from main pot
xXJER13Xx collected 23748 from main pot
jsuimax33 wins the €2 bounty for eliminating DonTuchMyBB
DonTuchMyBB finished the tournament in 35th place and received €25.90.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 117575 Main pot 47497. Side pot 70078. | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: darkwhite33 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: scalou93 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: AATheFishAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: messirno folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: menestrelien (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: 33Lord33 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: DonTuchMyBB (big blind) showed and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 8: jsuimax33 showed and won (93827) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks
Seat 9: xXJER13Xx showed and won (23748) with a full house, Kings full of Jacks

PokerStars Hand #81261064168: Tournament #575010923, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) antes50- 2012/05/31 4:35:01 CET [2012/05/30 22:35:01 ET]
Table '575010923 36' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: chris_liu (25346 in chips)
Seat 2: kuzla (13937 in chips)
Seat 3: 1stl0gic (15092 in chips)
Seat 4: goffy22 (14671 in chips)
Seat 5: salta44 (20056 in chips)
Seat 6: Aendy78 (21651 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: sebrebus (14187 in chips)
Seat 8: AAKK_Gambler (15132 in chips)
Seat 9: glennybob (34644 in chips)
chris_liu: posts small blind 200
kuzla: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sebrebus
1stl0gic: folds
goffy22: folds
salta44: folds
Aendy78: folds
sebrebus: raises 488 to 888
AAKK_Gambler: folds
glennybob: folds
chris_liu: folds
kuzla: raises 1512 to 2400
sebrebus: calls 1512
*** FLOP ***
kuzla: checks
sebrebus: checks
*** TURN ***
kuzla: bets 2234
sebrebus: calls 2234
*** RIVER ***
kuzla: bets 4959
sebrebus: calls 4959
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kuzla: shows (high card Ace)
sebrebus: shows (a pair of Sevens)
sebrebus collected 19836 from pot

il m'a insulté 2 plombes alors que je trouvais qu'il représentait rien de rien
avis?

PokerStars Hand #81264082884: Tournament #575011063, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2012/05/31 7:27:05 CET [2012/05/31 1:27:05 ET]
Table '575011063 48' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Karandash15 (67083 in chips)
Seat 2: sebrebus (106415 in chips)
Seat 3: Arshik07 (140369 in chips)
Seat 5: samblouin (187924 in chips)
Karandash15: posts the ante 250
sebrebus: posts the ante 250
Arshik07: posts the ante 250
samblouin: posts the ante 250
Arshik07: posts small blind 1250
samblouin: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sebrebus
Karandash15: folds
sebrebus: raises 3050 to 5550
Arshik07: raises 6950 to 12500
samblouin: folds
sebrebus: calls 6950
*** FLOP ***
Arshik07: bets 15000
sebrebus: calls 15000
*** TURN ***
Arshik07: checks
sebrebus: bets 23000
Arshik07: raises 89619 to 112619 and is all-in
sebrebus: calls 55665 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (33954) returned to Arshik07
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Arshik07: shows (a pair of Fives)
sebrebus: shows (two pair, Fives and Threes)
sebrebus collected 215830 from pot

J'en vois pas mal CRaise all-in turn avec AK quand ils ont miss. Ils ont pas envie de lacher leur AK et doivent se dire qu'ils ont une tonne de FE. Avec la flush qui rentre c'est clair qu'il rep rien ton vilain. Nice call

sebbtz a écrit

J'en vois pas mal CRaise all-in turn avec AK quand ils ont miss. Ils ont pas envie de lacher leur AK et doivent se dire qu'ils ont une tonne de FE. Avec la flush qui rentre c'est clair qu'il rep rien ton vilain. Nice call

+1

A la turn, je vois pas avec quelle main il pourrait envoyer tout son tapis en CR, un bluff ou un A de carreau en main et c'est mal joué de sa part dans les 2 cas IMO, je me verrais devant avec ma pp en tout cas et comme toi ça serait un call logique, aucun problème sur ça.
Vu qu'il était en pur bluff, je dirai qu'il a qu'à s'en prendre à lui, CR AI sur ce board ne représente rien.

Question, il c/c turn, et overbet AI river, tu fais quoi ?

pas overbet pardon mais il shove river, call ?

akovitch a écrit

pas overbet pardon mais il shove river, call ?

A moins de disposer de super pouvoirs ça ne pourra être qu'un fold je pense.
De toute façon ça semble cool a posteriori, mais je ne vois pas comment il pourrait jouer comme ça avec A2 !

c'est du 4 max, la dynamique est différente

il call et shove river je fold p-e p-e pas, dépend de la river aussi, il bet turn je fold. mais le C/R ça voulait vraiment rien dire
sinon c'est pas du 4max c'est les demies d'un 6max.
et il jouait 35/30/14% 3bet et était overaggro postflop
j'avais hésité à 4bet mais il était capable de jam super light et on est trop profond pour que je 4bet shove 33 imo

il vous plait mon bet turn?

PokerStars Hand #81310026007: Tournament #575011064, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250)antes25 - 2012/06/01 4:53:41 CET [2012/05/31 22:53:41 ET]
Table '575011064 14' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: jojodan76 (1064 in chips)
Seat 2: Sochobi (9963 in chips)
Seat 3: sebrebus (8843 in chips)
Seat 4: Lech_Uba (13852 in chips)
Seat 5: xgap (8155 in chips)
Seat 6: wildbilll35 (12150 in chips)
sebrebus: posts small blind 125
Lech_Uba: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sebrebus
xgap: calls 250
wildbilll35: calls 250
jojodan76: folds
Sochobi: folds
sebrebus: raises 1000 to 1250
Lech_Uba: folds
xgap: folds
wildbilll35: raises 3750 to 5000
sebrebus: raises 3818 to 8818 and is all-in
wildbilll35: calls 3818
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sebrebus: shows (a full house, Kings full of Sevens)
wildbilll35: shows (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
sebrebus collected 18286 from pot
wildbilll35 said, "lol"

main suivante

PokerStars Hand #81310046083: Tournament #575011064, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2012/06/01 4:54:39 CET [2012/05/31 22:54:39 ET]
Table '575011064 14' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: jojodan76 (1039 in chips)
Seat 2: Sochobi (9938 in chips)
Seat 3: sebrebus (18286 in chips)
Seat 4: Lech_Uba (13577 in chips)
Seat 5: xgap (7880 in chips)
Seat 6: wildbilll35 (3307 in chips)
jojodan76: posts the ante 25
Sochobi: posts the ante 25
sebrebus: posts the ante 25
Lech_Uba: posts the ante 25
xgap: posts the ante 25
wildbilll35: posts the ante 25
Lech_Uba: posts small blind 125
xgap: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sebrebus
wildbilll35: folds
jojodan76: folds
Sochobi: raises 285 to 535
sebrebus: calls 535
Lech_Uba: calls 410
xgap: folds
*** FLOP ***
Lech_Uba: checks
wildbilll35 said, "what a joke of a site"
Sochobi: bets 750
sebrebus said, "fkin limp reraisers have to be punished"
sebrebus: raises 2383 to 3133
Lech_Uba: folds
Sochobi said, "whats a ***cing site idiot"
Sochobi said, "hes a good player and you are a donk"
Sochobi said, "go cry home"
Sochobi: raises 6245 to 9378 and is all-in
sebrebus: calls 6245
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sochobi: shows (four of a kind, Aces)
sebrebus: shows (a full house, Aces full of Fives)
Sochobi collected 20761 from pot

punit du linchage dans le tchat!!!

vis ma vie de blinds!!!

PokerStars Hand #81326820926: Tournament #568741320, €0.90+€0.10 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2012/06/01 16:44:01 CET [2012/06/01 10:44:01 ET]
Table '568741320 1' 10-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 3: mounasse41 (1655 in chips)
Seat 4: nonokilla (2435 in chips)
Seat 5: Joobii (1150 in chips)
Seat 7: fabla62 (2450 in chips)
Seat 8: gopp (3620 in chips)
Seat 9: XXrideroufXX (1910 in chips)
Seat 10: KidofStOmer (1780 in chips)
gopp: posts small blind 75
XXrideroufXX: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to XXrideroufXX
KidofStOmer: folds
mounasse41: folds
nonokilla: folds
Joobii: folds
fabla62: folds
gopp: calls 75
XXrideroufXX: raises 1760 to 1910 and is all-in
gopp: calls 1760
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
gopp: shows (three of a kind, Eights)
XXrideroufXX: shows (a pair of Kings)
gopp collected 3820 from pot
XXrideroufXX finished the tournament in 7th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3820 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 3: mounasse41 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: nonokilla folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Joobii folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: fabla62 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: gopp (small blind) showed and won (3820) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 9: XXrideroufXX (big blind) showed and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 10: KidofStOmer folded before Flop (didn't bet)

superbe livraison dans le 11R
rare d'en avoir des comme ça dans ce tournoi, il est difficile en général

PokerStars Hand #81347608114: Tournament #575010645, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300antes25) - 2012/06/02 0:10:05 CET [2012/06/01 18:10:05 ET]
Table '575010645 88' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Keirsy (11261 in chips)
Seat 2: insomnimick (3787 in chips)
Seat 3: isenhar (31023 in chips)
Seat 4: Sascha0108 (10924 in chips)
Seat 5: sebrebus (22167 in chips)
Seat 6: yoram55555 (9564 in chips)
Seat 7: FabianW88 (13518 in chips)
Seat 8: whitesharkmo (16750 in chips)
Seat 9: crazychickn9 (19128 in chips)
yoram55555: posts small blind 150
FabianW88: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sebrebus
whitesharkmo: folds
crazychickn9: raises 600 to 900
Keirsy: folds
insomnimick: folds
isenhar: calls 900
Sascha0108: folds
sebrebus: raises 2297 to 3197
yoram55555: folds
FabianW88: folds
crazychickn9: calls 2297
isenhar: folds
*** FLOP ***
crazychickn9: checks
sebrebus: bets 3399
crazychickn9: raises 4401 to 7800
sebrebus: raises 11145 to 18945 and is all-in
crazychickn9: calls 8106 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (3039) returned to sebrebus
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
crazychickn9: shows (a pair of Tens)
sebrebus: shows (a pair of Kings)
sebrebus collected 39781 from pot
crazychickn9 finished the tournament in 860th place

Ah, pas de SS alors, merci au lotoman de service

PokerStars Hand #81431757186: Tournament #565643737, €18+€2 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2012/06/03 19:22:19 CET [2012/06/03 13:22:19 ET]
Table '565643737 13' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: killi53 (3400 in chips)
Seat 2: LUCRATIF888 (2385 in chips)
Seat 3: kologne697 (5518 in chips)
Seat 4: Burning Jo (3075 in chips)
Seat 5: Blesss3 (3040 in chips)
Seat 6: luciuscorsus (2685 in chips)
Seat 7: bernie.noël2 (2955 in chips)
Seat 8: Igaridur (2885 in chips)
Seat 9: patator94 (3727 in chips)
LUCRATIF888: posts small blind 75
kologne697: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Burning Jo
Burning Jo: raises 150 to 300
Blesss3: folds
luciuscorsus: folds
bernie.noël2: calls 300
Igaridur: folds
patator94: folds
killi53: folds
LUCRATIF888: calls 225
kologne697: calls 150
*** FLOP ***
LUCRATIF888: checks
kologne697: checks
Burning Jo: bets 689
bernie.noël2: raises 1966 to 2655 and is all-in
LUCRATIF888: calls 2085 and is all-in
kologne697: folds
Burning Jo: calls 1966
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Burning Jo: shows (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
bernie.noël2: shows (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Burning Jo collected 570 from side pot
bernie.noël2 collected 570 from side pot
LUCRATIF888: shows (three of a kind, Jacks)
LUCRATIF888 collected 7455 from main pot
Burning Jo said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8595 Main pot 7455. Side pot 1140. | Rake 0
Board

bo cuila

PokerStars Hand #81436755796: Tournament #565641242, €2.70+€0.30 EUR Hold'em No Limit - Level X (500/1000) - 2012/06/03 20:47:49 CET [2012/06/03 14:47:49 ET]
Table '565641242 104' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: fusiondi (42125 in chips)
Seat 2: bernie.noël2 (37144 in chips)
Seat 3: alexouf2673 (61285 in chips)
Seat 4: tonymar864 (56251 in chips)
Seat 5: Burning Jo (98879 in chips)
Seat 6: teddylee 42 (39065 in chips)
Seat 7: solama1966 (65676 in chips)
Seat 8: Dacosta60 (32570 in chips)
Seat 9: Gill's47000 (59610 in chips)
fusiondi: posts the ante 75
bernie.noël2: posts the ante 75
alexouf2673: posts the ante 75
tonymar864: posts the ante 75
Burning Jo: posts the ante 75
teddylee 42: posts the ante 75
solama1966: posts the ante 75
Dacosta60: posts the ante 75
Gill's47000: posts the ante 75
tonymar864: posts small blind 500
Burning Jo: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Burning Jo
teddylee 42: folds
solama1966: folds
Dacosta60: folds
Gill's47000: folds
fusiondi: folds
bernie.noël2: folds
alexouf2673: raises 2000 to 3000
tonymar864: folds
Burning Jo: raises 5000 to 8000
alexouf2673: raises 7000 to 15000
Burning Jo: calls 7000
*** FLOP ***
Burning Jo: checks
alexouf2673: bets 46210 and is all-in
Burning Jo: calls 46210
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Burning Jo: shows (a full house, Kings full of Queens)
alexouf2673: shows (a full house, Kings full of Jacks)
Burning Jo collected 123595 from pot
alexouf2673 finished the tournament in 1209th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 123595 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: fusiondi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: bernie.noël2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: alexouf2673 (button) showed and lost with a full house, Kings full of Jacks
Seat 4: tonymar864 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Burning Jo (big blind) showed and won (123595) with a full house, Kings full of Queens
Seat 6: teddylee 42 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: solama1966 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Dacosta60 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Gill's47000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)