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Bon, à force de me faire massacrer quasi systèmatiquement en partant avec la meilleure main (mais de peu),
je finis par me poser quelques questions : bad run ou trop mauvais ?

Ces quelques mains sont tirées d'une session de SNG 45 joueurs 5$50 d'hier soir.
Dans bcp d'entre elles, quand je shove, je me vois devant la HR adverse et avec de la FE.
Souvent, il se trouve que j'ai raison mais qu'au final je perds le coup...

Question : pensez vous qu'il faille attendre des situations où on se sent mieux que favori à 70/30 voire 60/40 pour jouer votre tapis lorsque votre M est entre 5 et 10 ?

Je vous passe l'analyse qui me permet d'estimer que ma main est devant la HR de mon opposant, c'est une affaire
de chiffres et de tracker, c'est pas forcément le plus passionnant
Il se trouve juste que la plupart du temps, je me trompe pas trop mais ça m'empêche pas de me faire plumer

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Celle ci, j'ai un M de 9, le raise 3BB vient du CO (qui a un M de 5 et ne foldera sans doute pas), j'estime que AQo sera favori --> shove.
En position, j'aurais simplement callé mais OOP, j'ai trouvé que shove était meilleur

PokerStars Game #13218251812: Tournament #67070920, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/11/13 - 14:16:33 (ET)
Table '67070920 4' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 3: tutur006 (4505 in chips)
Seat 4: alicehung (1570 in chips)
Seat 5: Insulan (3215 in chips)
Seat 6: Houtenaar (4775 in chips)
Seat 7: HERO (2680 in chips)
Seat 8: boblou123 (2435 in chips)
Seat 9: B.P.Coco (2760 in chips)
Houtenaar: posts small blind 100
HERO: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO {da}
boblou123: folds
B.P.Coco: folds
tutur006: calls 200
alicehung: raises 400 to 600
Insulan: folds
Houtenaar: folds
HERO: raises 2080 to 2680 and is all-in
tutur006: folds
alicehung: calls 970 and is all-in
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows {da} (two pair, Queens and Nines)
alicehung: shows (three of a kind, Nines)
alicehung collected 3440 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3440 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 3: tutur006 folded before Flop
Seat 4: alicehung showed and won (3440) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: Insulan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Houtenaar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: HERO (big blind) showed {da} and lost with two pair, Queens and Nines
Seat 8: boblou123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: B.P.Coco folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Bon celle là est un peu différente. Y avait-il un moyen de se rendre compte que mes as étaient morts post flop ?
A mon avis, non...

PokerStars Game #13217790297: Tournament #67072154, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/11/13 - 13:50:14 (ET)
Table '67072154 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: miragedk (490 in chips)
Seat 2: newfiebritt (3420 in chips)
Seat 3: monoksid (1155 in chips)
Seat 4: HERO (1920 in chips)
Seat 5: Claus 03.04. (1450 in chips)
Seat 6: jamiewalsall (1745 in chips)
Seat 7: R0bZter (1540 in chips)
Seat 8: camilio o. (1510 in chips)
camilio o.: posts small blind 15
miragedk: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO
newfiebritt: folds
monoksid: raises 60 to 90
HERO: raises 210 to 300
Claus 03.04.: folds
jamiewalsall: folds
R0bZter: folds
camilio o.: folds
miragedk: folds
monoksid: calls 210
*** FLOP ***
monoksid: checks
HERO: bets 450
monoksid: raises 405 to 855 and is all-in
HERO: calls 405
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
monoksid: shows (two pair, Sevens and Fives)
HERO: shows (a pair of Aces)
monoksid collected 2355 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2355 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: miragedk (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: newfiebritt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: monoksid showed and won (2355) with two pair, Sevens and Fives
Seat 4: HERO showed and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: Claus 03.04. folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jamiewalsall folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: R0bZter (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: camilio o. (small blind) folded before Flop

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Table finale, cette fois, le raise vient du bouton qui dans cette situation est quasiment obligé de voler
parce que tout le monde a foldé jusqu'à lui et qu'il est CL.
Je me doute bien que j'ai pas de FE, mais avec un M de 3 dans cette situation, mon KJ me semble être un monstre

PokerStars Game #13219504875: Tournament #67073214, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/11/13 - 15:21:42 (ET)
Table '67073214 5' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: gantorius (8405 in chips)
Seat 2: akaLaude (9430 in chips)
Seat 3: wtc7.net (3001 in chips)
Seat 4: StasiekB (12205 in chips)
Seat 5: MrM0J0 RI5IN (11911 in chips)
Seat 6: HERO (3043 in chips)
Seat 7: bombay black (5802 in chips)
Seat 8: jcrouch85 (6931 in chips)
Seat 9: benzidan (6772 in chips)
gantorius: posts the ante 50
akaLaude: posts the ante 50
wtc7.net: posts the ante 50
StasiekB: posts the ante 50
MrM0J0 RI5IN: posts the ante 50
HERO: posts the ante 50
bombay black: posts the ante 50
jcrouch85: posts the ante 50
benzidan: posts the ante 50
HERO: posts small blind 300
bombay black: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO
jcrouch85: folds
benzidan: folds
gantorius: folds
akaLaude: folds
wtc7.net: folds
StasiekB: folds
MrM0J0 RI5IN: raises 1200 to 1800
HERO: raises 1193 to 2993 and is all-in
bombay black: folds
MrM0J0 RI5IN: calls 1193
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows (high card Ace)
MrM0J0 RI5IN: shows (a pair of Tens)
MrM0J0 RI5IN collected 7036 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7036 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: gantorius folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: akaLaude folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: wtc7.net folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: StasiekB folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MrM0J0 RI5IN (button) showed and won (7036) with a pair of Tens
Seat 6: HERO (small blind) showed and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: bombay black (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: jcrouch85 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: benzidan folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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Celle là, M entre 4 et 5, je suis au CO avec une main à deux honneurs, je pense que le BB vu son tapis paiera même avec
une immonde poubelle. Bon en fait il a mieux que ça et je perds logiquement ce coup...

Que dire de mon shove ?

PokerStars Game #13218958284: Tournament #67075278, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/11/13 - 14:54:13 (ET)
Table '67075278 3' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: KnottyDog1 (1580 in chips)
Seat 2: Alekhine54 (5934 in chips)
Seat 3: Phylozz (1625 in chips)
Seat 4: $TONEF@CE (862 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (980 in chips)
Seat 7: jpereira (1745 in chips)
Seat 8: Skipper2233 (4421 in chips)
Seat 9: Nightburn (14118 in chips)
Skipper2233: posts small blind 75
Nightburn: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO
KnottyDog1: folds
Alekhine54: folds
Phylozz: folds
$TONEF@CE: folds
HERO: raises 830 to 980 and is all-in
jpereira: folds
Skipper2233: folds
Nightburn: calls 830
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Nightburn: shows (high card Ace)
HERO: shows (high card King)
Nightburn collected 2035 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2035 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: KnottyDog1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Alekhine54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Phylozz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: $TONEF@CE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: HERO showed and lost with high card King
Seat 7: jpereira (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Skipper2233 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: Nightburn (big blind) showed and won (2035) with high card Ace

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Celle là, M de 7, encore une fois, c'est les chiffres que je connais sur mes opposants qui me font estimer que mon AK
est soit devant mellon1234, soit en coin flip, ce qui vu la dead money dans le pot (call de Valtool) vaut le coup d'être joué.

PokerStars Game #13219275040: Tournament #67076993, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/11/13 - 15:10:17 (ET)
Table '67076993 5' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: mellon1234 (3060 in chips)
Seat 3: Keepsdad222 (1705 in chips)
Seat 4: fbarja (1165 in chips)
Seat 5: HERO (1580 in chips)
Seat 6: bstihl (3610 in chips)
Seat 7: theboy7 (1175 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Valtool (2750 in chips)
Seat 9: nicolas1984 (2535 in chips)
nicolas1984: posts small blind 75
mellon1234: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO {da}
Keepsdad222: calls 150
fbarja: folds
HERO: raises 450 to 600
bstihl: folds
theboy7: folds
Valtool: calls 600
theboy7 is connected
theboy7 has returned
nicolas1984: folds
mellon1234: raises 2400 to 3000
Keepsdad222: folds
HERO: calls 980 and is all-in
Valtool: calls 2150 and is all-in
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mellon1234: shows (three of a kind, Deuces)
Valtool: shows (a full house, Deuces full of Nines)
Valtool collected 2340 from side pot
HERO: shows {da} (three of a kind, Deuces)
Valtool collected 4965 from main pot
Keepsdad222 said, "lol"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7305 Main pot 4965. Side pot 2340. | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: mellon1234 (big blind) showed and lost with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 3: Keepsdad222 folded before Flop
Seat 4: fbarja folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: HERO showed {da} and lost with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 6: bstihl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: theboy7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Valtool (button) showed and won (7305) with a full house, Deuces full of Nines
Seat 9: nicolas1984 (small blind) folded before Flop

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M de 5, raise vient du bouton, je pense avoir la meilleure main et avoir de la FE si il a raisé avec une poubelle,
ce qui est très possible. En fait il me paye avec une main potable et touche...

Mais encore une fois, que dire de mon shove ?

PokerStars Game #13220322107: Tournament #67079648, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/11/13 - 16:03:15 (ET)
Table '67079648 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: MLinds (5207 in chips)
Seat 2: discret69 (9025 in chips)
Seat 5: Pioke (4100 in chips)
Seat 7: mylinski (3755 in chips)
Seat 8: HERO (2275 in chips)
Seat 9: Linke_Tony (4564 in chips)
MLinds: posts the ante 25
discret69: posts the ante 25
Pioke: posts the ante 25
mylinski: posts the ante 25
HERO: posts the ante 25
Linke_Tony: posts the ante 25
mylinski: posts small blind 100
HERO: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO
Linke_Tony: folds
MLinds: folds
discret69: folds
Pioke: raises 400 to 600
mylinski: folds
HERO: raises 1650 to 2250 and is all-in
Pioke: calls 1650
*** FLOP ***
*** TURN ***
*** RIVER ***
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HERO: shows (high card Ace)
Pioke: shows (a pair of Jacks)
Pioke collected 4750 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4750 | Rake 0
Board
Seat 1: MLinds folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: discret69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Pioke (button) showed and won (4750) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 7: mylinski (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: HERO (big blind) showed and lost with high card Ace
Seat 9: Linke_Tony folded before Flop (didn't bet)

à vos avis

Bad run, on dirait mes parties en turbo du mois dernier

C'est ce qui ma fait ouvrir un poste en vous demandant si on est obligé de gagner ce genre de situations pour arriver en finale et vous m'avez répondu oui, donc faut se faire une raison, si ça ne veut pas passer, ca ne passe pas, mais ssur la longueur les move sont rentables.

Oué plus un Bad run que de grosses fautes techniques... Ce genre de move te fera gagné SAUF QUE à ce niveau de jeu la FE et ces concepts sont pas connu de bcp de joueurs à la table donc tu peux élargir les HR de tes adversaires. En changeant de limite tu verras que ça suivra moins...

aucun de tes moves me dérange apart ke AK ou tu ne fais que relancer en early a 600 alors qu'il ne te reste que 900 derrière.
C t shove ou call selon moi.

Tu aurais également pu t'abstenir pour le K9o sachant qu' a ces lim il n'y a pas de concepts de FE bien sur. Si le type estime qu'il a une main assez bonne pour relancer, il l'estime très souvent assez bonne pour payer un move.

Oui, le AK, j'ai hésité à faire all in direct mais bon avec 10BB, je trouvais que c'était un peu surjoué

Puis le re-steal K9o est borderline, c'est juste.